尼康首次推出兩款 Nikon 1 數位相機：Nikon 1 J1 及 Nikon 1 V1

ericlee

dswhkg 發表於 2011-10-3 11:54
I want to add one more point:
4. large aperture pan-cake prime lens

18 1.4 would be too big
maybe a 20 2.0

ericlee

dswhkg 發表於 2011-10-3 11:54
I want to add one more point:
4. large aperture pan-cake prime lens

18 1.4 would be too big
maybe a 20 2.0

gmen75

dswhkg 發表於 2011-10-3 10:49
Yes, Nikon-1 sensor is much smaller than m4/3, but DxOMark said that Nikon-1 sensor performance is ...

The scores are actually very close.  Besides, DXO disregards resolution.

ericlee

gmen75 發表於 2011-10-3 12:37
The scores are actually very close.  Besides, DXO disregards resolution.

i believe we have to use it before we can comment on the performance
only reading spec doesn't mean anything

gmen75

ericlee 發表於 2011-10-3 12:41
i believe we have to use it before we can comment on the performance
only reading spec doesn't mea ...

Wasn't me who quoted the DXO marks.

Won't pay anything to use CX either.

gmen75

dswhkg 發表於 2011-10-3 11:38
I have quite different comments:
I appreciate what Nikon commit to create a completely new camera  ...

Actually I don't like NEX, it just copy/follow the idea of m4/3, filled with an existing APS-C sensor, without considering such combination lead to a weird camera: slim body big lens!

So far, m4/3 represents the best balance between sensor size and physical size -- until Fuji comes up with a X200 with interchangeable prime lenses.

ericlee

gmen75 發表於 2011-10-3 12:43
Wasn't me who quoted the DXO marks.

Won't pay anything to use CX either.

ching i'm not talking about you, take it easy...

i just want to try once in shops before i can comment on the performance

dswhkg

gmen75 發表於 2011-10-3 12:37
The scores are actually very close.  Besides, DXO disregards resolution.

Yes, they disregard resolution. I think if they can put resolution into their score system, it will more convincing

dswhkg

gmen75 發表於 2011-10-3 12:47
So far, m4/3 represents the best balance between sensor size and physical size -- until Fuji com ...

Yes, I agree with you. The balance in m4/3 is not bad. Just, they don't have a good sensor as C/N/S can have.
Nikon is used to create big, heavy expensive things, that why smaller sensor but still with bigger body and bigger lenses

dswhkg

gmen75 發表於 2011-10-3 12:47
So far, m4/3 represents the best balance between sensor size and physical size -- until Fuji com ...

X100 is basically a large sensor DC, to become interchangeable ? It is not easy.
It means a new SYSTEM: new lens mount, new lenses, new accessories set... I don't think Fuji dares to enter this market to fight with C/N/S.... at least they can't provide a S6pro

gmen75

dswhkg 發表於 2011-10-3 13:12
X100 is basically a large sensor DC, to become interchangeable ? It is not easy.
It means a new SY ...

Some pro said Fuji people told him so: http://photo.net/leica-rangefinders-forum/00YVmt

Not easy, but not impossible.  In the film era, we had the Contax G, even Contax 645.

The X100 is already selling like hot cakes.  An X200 will appeal to even more people, especially those who can't afford or justify buying a Leica M8/M9 (myself included.)

dswhkg

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After i re-read the definition of DxO index, I found that they did put the factor of resolution into the indexes
e.g. S/N ratio is worse in high resolution sensor(because of smaller area per pixel), but when you print out the image, several pixel combine to a single pixel on the print-out, thus reduce the effective noise. Therefore they normalize the S/N of various resolution sensors with reference to a 8MP sensor.

Therefore the score of DxO is already included the benefit of higher resolution.
But the resolution itself is NOT an index in DxO score system.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php ... ensor-normalization

ericlee

dswhkg 發表於 2011-10-3 13:12
X100 is basically a large sensor DC, to become interchangeable ? It is not easy.
It means a new SY ...

X100 is not simply a large sensor DC, it is a sample for Fuji to introduce interchangeable system.  did you see the image quality of X100? very close to the performance of M8!!!

just take off the Fuji Lens, add an M mount on it - Ding! it becomes the digital version of Voigtlander Bessa!

dswhkg

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Oh, I see. X100 is trying to selling the feeling of Leica rangefinders.

Then it becomes less demanding: elegant body, good image quality, strong marketing.... at last Fuji needs to decide on which mount standard....  M-mount? or a new mount standard?

dswhkg

ericlee 發表於 2011-10-3 17:03
X100 is not simply a large sensor DC, it is a sample for Fuji to introduce interchangeable system. ...

I didn't use X100.
Just heard that it is a camera with good build quality, good image quality(equ'v to D7000) but need to improve the speed...

Fuji is going to use M mount for this rangefinder series?
In this case, the most important is to convince the consumer it is a brand of Lecia grade.
Just like selling 金勞, the marketing is more important than the product itself.

ericlee

dswhkg 發表於 2011-10-3 18:07
I didn't use X100.
Just heard that it is a camera with good build quality, good image quality(equ ...

It fits to the market for those who don't want to spend 50000 for a camera that would obsolete in 5 years. they will buy an M6 TTL or M7 because it works for the next 30 years.

No matter how luxurious Camera Fuji made, Leica guys would only buy Leica cameras at this price range. Remember the Epson RD-1? It is a good digital rangefinder. But it cost over 30000, so it does not attract much ppl.

However, If Fuji could make an X100 body with m mount at the price around 12000. Then it will be a killer to that type of ppl owning m mount lenses. Even if the camera obsolete in 5 years, 12000 would not be too expensive for them.

snow99

gmen75 發表於 2011-10-3 06:29
Sony NEX 愈出愈多﹐有無打亂自己DSLR呢﹖EVIL就算唔出APS-C﹐都唔使用到甘細sensor重賣甘貴架。 ...

唔可以話冇, 一定有打亂, 特別是入門機,

我問你一個問題,
你在街見到人拿A55, A35多, 還是NEX-C3, 5, 5N 多
一定後者多, 但它們價錢是接近的

如果NIKON真的出APS-C的EVIL.......................
那, D3100, D5000, D5100等. 一定死得

gmen75

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如果NIKON真的出APS-C的EVIL.......................
那, D3100, D5000, D5100等. 一定死得

Now CX 一定死得!

ericlee

gmen75 發表於 2011-10-4 07:44
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佢賣太貴鳥

ericlee

snow99 發表於 2011-10-3 23:30
唔可以話冇, 一定有打亂, 特別是入門機,

我問你一個問題,

Nikon 唔捨得放棄 3000/5000 條 line

Canon 反而 ok
如果佢將 G12 變成 mirrorless......