尼康首次推出兩款 Nikon 1 數位相機：Nikon 1 J1 及 Nikon 1 V1

momomo1997

gmen75 發表於 2011-10-1 13:31
110菲林面積﹐最接近4/3rds。當年Rollei, Canon 等名廠﹐都有出110 機﹐Minolta 亦有兩部110 Zoom SLR ...

睇睇啦，
師兄你是傾向於悲觀看法。
我雖然不會用它，但也不會如此悲觀。

當年APS死直，是因為遇到數碼潮，菲林突然走下坡。
而且，菲林机要靠菲林，買不到菲林，部机就報廢。

數碼机則不同，只要有電有卡，就可繼續操作。
買了机的，只要不壞，都可以繼續用，
壞了，只要尼康肯修，仍可繼續用。

有人用，就有机會有新人繼續買。
或舊人繼續買鏡頭。
始終，它仍比DC仔的質素好好多。
銷量不會好，也不會兩年就玩完吧。

預測不同，只能留待時間証實了。

gmen75

momomo1997 發表於 2011-10-1 13:40
睇睇啦，
師兄你是傾向於悲觀看法。
我雖然不會用它，但也不會如此悲觀。

師兄不無道理。不過比APS 更早既disc camera (Kodak, Minolta 亦出過，菲林尺寸同CX相若)﹐死得重快。 如果多人用﹐自然多人買菲林﹐菲林唔出﹐正因為無人幫襯。

泥坑如果唔係甘飛禽大咬﹐價格定位同micro 4/3rds 差唔多﹐都有機會魚目混珠。要生存﹐就要大割價﹐不過到得醒覺時﹐已經太遲。HP 平板電腦﹐就係最新樣辦﹐早少少既亦有Olympus 4/3rds SLR。

kk1441

momomo1997 發表於 2011-10-1 13:11
雖然同意師兄所說，但使唔使連發三個帖？

係尋晚回POST個視窗冇反應....
見佢吾多理我..咪禁多幾下..點知一出就幾個= =

davidwong1984

咁不如玩返DC仔算啦......

danielwyyu

我自己應為一定要試用過, 先至知道部機係點....
之前因為大機用nikon, 要買DC, 就買咗部P5000, 用到嘔血, 之後都決定係用canon,
覺得極好用, 原因就係簡單, 易用, 快.....
我自己用DC 就係貪快, 要靚相就唔該用大機..
我估 nikon 都可能行這個方向吧.
最近用過P300, 已經是很接近 canon DC 感覺了..

snow99

雖然, CX是2.7X, 但我個人比較留意佢個新對焦系統, 希望有D突破

不過, 大家有冇想過, 如果佢出EVIL 1.5, 是會打亂自己DSLR

華山督督

祝 CX format Nikon 早日收皮，唔好浪費資源啦。
快 D 出 D700x，再加支 super wide 定焦就 perfect。

gmen75

snow99 發表於 2011-10-3 03:13
雖然, CX是2.7X, 但我個人比較留意佢個新對焦系統, 希望有D突破

不過, 大家有冇想過, 如果佢出EVIL 1.5,  ...

Sony NEX 愈出愈多﹐有無打亂自己DSLR呢﹖EVIL就算唔出APS-C﹐都唔使用到甘細sensor重賣甘貴架。

gmen75

davidwong1984 發表於 2011-10-1 21:15
咁不如玩返DC仔算啦......

呢個價錢﹐買到好多部DC 喇。

dswhkg

回覆 momomo1997 的帖子

Yes, the small sensor has both pros & cons

- pro: So that the lens can be smaller, combines with a slim body, then become a true compact system. The bad example is NEX: slim body but BIG lens.... However, the Nikon-1 lenses seems not that small, compare with m4/3 lenses.?!!!

- con: weaker in image quality, especially high ISO noise performance. Also not good at shadow DOF.

dswhkg

gmen75 發表於 2011-9-30 23:10
No, its sensor is only half the size of micro 4/3rds, and way too overpriced:

Yes, Nikon-1 sensor is much smaller than m4/3, but DxOMark said that Nikon-1 sensor performance is better than m4/3.

Nikon wins in color depth and dynamic range, loses in high ISO noise.
As a small sensor, Nikon-1 sensor did a good job!

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php ... brand3%29/Panasonic

dswhkg

gmen75 發表於 2011-10-1 13:19
回覆 momomo1997 的帖子

I'm interest on Nikon-1, depend on the final market price.

My consideration:
XZ-1 is a good camera, selling at ~$3000. That interested me.
If J1 sell at $4xxx, then it will attract me to buy one.

The PQ of J1 should better than XZ-1 (bigger sensor than Z-1), plus super high speed (in focusing, shutter lag and continuous shooting), plus changeable lens.... add $1500 is worth to pay.

But the selling price from US ebay is ~US650, just beyond HK$5000...

dswhkg

gmen75 發表於 2011-10-1 13:26
回覆 momomo1997 的帖子

haha, you are right.
if FF area is 1, then
APS-C  = 0.444
4/3      = 0.25
Nikon1 = 0.137
Pentax-Q=0.033

dswhkg

snow99 發表於 2011-10-3 03:13
雖然, CX是2.7X, 但我個人比較留意佢個新對焦系統, 希望有D突破

不過, 大家有冇想過, 如果佢出EVIL 1.5,  ...

Yes, agree:
Dual focusing system: Phrase differential & contrast detection ;
and most important is those 73 focus points are build-in on the sensor!!! A much better approach than Sony's way.

If such feature can be transplanted to DSLR, then a major problem of focusing during live-view or movie taking can be solved.

dswhkg

danielwyyu 發表於 2011-10-2 23:14
我自己應為一定要試用過, 先至知道部機係點....
之前因為大機用nikon, 要買DC, 就買咗部P5000, 用到嘔血,  ...

Nikon-1 is aimed at you needs:
A super fast camera: in focusing, in shutter lag, in continuous shooting...

dswhkg

華山督督 發表於 2011-10-3 03:20
祝 CX format Nikon 早日收皮，唔好浪費資源啦。
快 D 出 D700x，再加支 super wide 定焦就 perfect。 ...

I have quite different comments:
I appreciate what Nikon commit to create a completely new camera system. No matter it will succes or not.  
At least I think nothing wrong with Nikon-1, but depend on what is the price.

Actually I don't like NEX, it just copy/follow the idea of m4/3, filled with an existing APS-C sensor, without considering such combination lead to a weird camera: slim body big lens!

Sure, everyone waiting for the next D700, D300, D3.... me too

dswhkg

gmen75 發表於 2011-10-3 06:29
Sony NEX 愈出愈多﹐有無打亂自己DSLR呢﹖EVIL就算唔出APS-C﹐都唔使用到甘細sensor重賣甘貴架。 ...

I think it is the main reason for 2.7X sensor.

Both Nikon & Canon are the leaders of DSLR manufacturers, so they won't create a mirrorless that is competitive against their entry level DLSR.

dswhkg

to momo:
sorry, too excited to return post  on Nikon-1 and occupied too much place here...

ericlee

3 major point to consider at Nikon 1 system

1. shutter lag
2. AF speed and accuracy
3. High ISO performance

this system is boosting 1 and 2 with compromise in 3

let's see if that can really spread the market

I don't really care about the size of sensor
as long as they can provide the angle of view and High ISO performance

dswhkg

ericlee 發表於 2011-10-3 11:42
3 major point to consider at Nikon 1 system

1. shutter lag

I want to add one more point:
4. large aperture pan-cake prime lens

except the announced 10mm/2.8, I hope a standard prime (say 18mm/1.4) will be available soon