轉載: 古機今看 - Quad ESL-57

UncleDuck

柒喜 發表於 2013-10-25 09:49
我說我話: 生於1957的QUAD ESL-57 - 被評為在音響史上十大里程碑之一，它們改變了音響世界。曾幾何時，一次 ...

都好有型

柒喜

schmid9394 發表於 2013-10-25 11:48
小弟孤陋寡聞,

十大里程, 其餘9個系咩牙....?!

係被評不是公認，即是並無權威性，但BBC LS3/5a 和Linn LP12肯定是擧世公認

hkmessi123

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又一部那些年既經典正機。

auraheart

The year was 1979, I think.  I listened the Mark Levinson's HQD system.  I was very impressed with the speakers performance.  I said to myself "Hey, I could have a scale down system like that" What could a not so rich college student do?  I started day dreaming of my upcoming system.  Ok...could get gears one at a time.  It wasn't until couple of years later, my dream came true ! (I quit school for  nearly 2 yrs & worked)

I purchased the Quad ESL 57 and see how it fits into my existing system.  Driving it with the Marantz 500 was a nightmare.  As all my friends know, I always prefer solid state amps..did some research, listened & listened.  I picked the Bedini 25/25 pure class A amp to drive the 57 along with the Marantz 7c pre-amp.  OMFG, it was just marvelous!  I have never heard anything this good at the time!  I know the fact that was plenty of room for improvements (how I improved it not covered here, too long).  Best mid-range I've heard in my entire life at home, not show room.  Sweet, transparent, not slow at all, it responded fast, just as life music.  Deep and Wide sound stage. String instruments never sound like it. The image was clean and clear, so detailed. This system has life.  Hey, even for Cantonese pops, just sounded better.   High is pretty good also, tight bass but not deep and no punch lol..The overall sound quality of the ESL 57 is just simply mesmerizing.    It was known as Peter Walker's wonder (founder of Quad), hmmm...and mine too.  However, quality was worst with bad recordings.  I was a happy dude for a week or so until I fully calmed down or until the cons out-weighted the pros..lol..

This was such a great system for "normal" listening.  Classical, Jazz, chamber pop, country, electronica...simple vocal, small singing groups, solo, trio..whatever you might call it.  NO full orchestration, no rock and metal...just forget it.  That started my long and painful way to further improvements.  It was worth it !

Sorry, nothing technical here..as least we don't deal with freq. responses, x-over, design principals.  Something I love doing, but boring to all.




補充內容 (2013-10-25 14:07):
I tried so hard to make it short ! lol..

auraheart

柒喜 發表於 2013-10-25 12:30
係被評不是公認，即是並無權威性，但BBC LS3/5a 和Linn LP12肯定是擧世公認

I had a Linn..very nice TT

天機

骨董級....珍貴音響

柒喜

auraheart 發表於 2013-10-25 14:06
The year was 1979, I think.  I listened the Mark Levinson's HQD system.  I was very impressed with t ...

有有諗過買多一對打孖一齊玩

柒喜

auraheart 發表於 2013-10-25 14:14
I had a Linn..very nice TT

放心……………黎緊

auraheart

柒喜 發表於 2013-10-25 15:58
有有諗過買多一對打孖一齊玩

打孖一齊玩 ? I don't think my amps can handle under 1 ohm, talking about .75 ohm, possible .5 ohm...are you kidding?  very big wok with 57 unless tri amp that...like the HQD, much easier with ESL 63, but less sweet on vocals mainly..lol...
Duo gives a lot more dynamic range, very nice.

auraheart

柒喜 發表於 2013-10-25 15:59
放心……………黎緊

Are you playing me? lol....

柒喜

auraheart 發表於 2013-10-25 16:00
打孖一齊玩 ? I don't think my amps can hanle under 1ohm, talking about .75 ohm, possible .5 ohm... ...

咁又無諗過加超低

auraheart

柒喜 發表於 2013-10-25 16:14
咁又無諗過加超低

I tri-amp that with ribbon tweeter and sub lol...I didn't cover how I improved the system cuz it was too too long, took me over a year to improve it.
"應該幾好玩" nah..it is very very 好玩.  Nuttin better than tri amp the quads.  If it is done right, will blow away lots of most expensive systems today!  It will blow away Tympani easy,...a big panel I like a lot
I am not kidding !

補充內容 (2013-10-25 19:35):
It will also kill the complete Martin Logan Hybrid system with expensive electronics gears too.

柒喜

auraheart 發表於 2013-10-25 16:02
Are you playing me? lol....

玩乜喎，我朋友一直沿用緊，每次佢換CD 又或 D/A都叫我過去幫耳AB，我對LP 12聲音也有少許認知

auraheart

柒喜 發表於 2013-10-25 16:26
玩乜喎，我朋友一直沿用緊，每次佢換CD 又或 D/A都叫我過去幫耳AB，我對LP 12聲音也有少許認知

It was not MCOT, even it nice lol....unlike the Quad or 7c or 500...I actually like the Denon dp 80 better lol...belt driven TT, low torque, kinda sucks because I love using a very heavy disc stabilizer on top of the album.. Lp 12 is a pretty light weight TT, under 30lbs.  Not good for my Iso base with 6 custom made springs,  harder to control resonance.  LP 12 was cheap, in terms of price..it was a big plus.

I said playing me was just a joke, hope you don't mind..

柒喜

auraheart 發表於 2013-10-25 16:29
It was not MCOT, even it nice lol....unlike the Quad or 7c or 500...I actually like the Denon dp 8 ...

好老實講，我總覺LP12跟technica聲效分差不是太遠，但我又不是親身玩不知問題出自那裏，亦或朋友未有玩盡LP 12

auraheart

柒喜 發表於 2013-10-25 16:50
好老實講，我總覺LP12跟technica聲效分差不是太遠，但我又不是親身玩不知問題出自那裏，亦或朋友未有玩盡LP 12

Frankly, a little belt makes some difference, not a whole lot to me, not much as those fever friends think it is. (less magnetic/electrical interference)
I am not even saying it is better or worst, it is subjective.  Again, it also depends on the arm/cart, and even those few inter-connect wires.  I even put some kinds mud between head-shell and cart before.  Every little thing counts a little, really.  The base itself, reason why I liked the Denon was I can purchase the motor (great isolation of the motor, seal well) and base separately, and even the base which TT sit on made some difference..lol...(had to have a specialist made those springs for me, lol..)
The first sorta high end, new belt driven TT was a british one (other than Thorens 124, and 125 MKII, they were used, of course..so old).  I even forgot the name lol...It means successor.  I think it start with a C...maybe you know lol... O, just found out by Google..lol..called connoisseur LOL..had that with the JH formular IV tonearm, MKII or MKIII, I forgot..lol...
補充內容 (2013-10-25 17:06):
Sometimes, I am bias..I understand..but my own ears, gotta please myself first.  Often I am against lotta other people cuz I am the one who listens to my own system lol...

andyy

唔睇真係唔識

7k7k

古董級QUAD ESL-57....第一次見識到

henry1328

ELECTROSTATICS QUADS ESL 57 : STACKED PAIRS WITH O.T.L. AMPS

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Quad ESL 57- Saxophone music

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Quad ESL57 driven by 47 Labs Shigaraki Integrated Amp

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"There was of course never any such moniker as "ESL-57," except in retrospect, to distinguish it from its distinguished successor the ESL-63. Designed by the legendary Peter Walker and actually introduced in 1956, it was called simply the Quad ESL, but soon became known as "Walker's little wonder." Little wonder: For top-to-bottom clarity, coherence, transparency, resolution, openness, naturalness, and a disappearing act that still inspires awe, the ESL established and remains to this day (even though production ceased over a quarter century ago) a reference standard among countless designers and reviewers (including the undersigned) across the globe. Despite undeniable limitations—inability to play very loud, lack of deep bass, quite directional highs—it tops virtually every list of the best, the greatest, the most significant—supply your own category—audio products ever made. Why? Because at the dawn of the stereo era this "little" wonder demonstrated what was possible in most of the essential areas of speaker performance so validly that from a certain point of view the subsequent history of speaker design has been catch-up." Paul Seydor"

onngau

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