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 樓主| 發表於 2013-10-20 22:21:02 | 顯示全部樓層

廟街中有檔賣A碟個檔口底都放有一對AR用黎播歌
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發表於 2013-10-20 22:25:40 | 顯示全部樓層
hkmessi123 發表於 2013-10-20 22:19
回復 柒喜 #1 的帖子

未聽呢隻牌子,但多謝介紹。

新人吾知"AR"不奇,因為佢今天已經轉為生產線材
但曾幾何時,"AR"同另一美國喇叭天之驕子"JBL"鬥得難分高下
各有擁躉,JBL所有喇叭都用低音反射式音箱設計,
出來的低音效果和"氣墊式"有明顯分別,理論上氣墊式低音有更低的失真
但輸了效率
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發表於 2013-10-20 22:39:43 | 顯示全部樓層
講開AR-3a,不得不堤它的"同父異母"細佬"LST"
LST是梯形箱的喇叭(MST也是)所用單元和AR-3a完全相同
但出來的效果卻差天共地,但這對外形古怪的AR-LST卻被音響
奇才Mark哥(Mark Levinsion)看中,90年代Mark哥的"CELLO"套裝系列(當年售超過100萬元)
就用上AR-LST(但當然牌子用CELLO而不是AR)
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發表於 2013-10-20 22:41:40 | 顯示全部樓層
My first pair of speakers for serious listening was the AR3a ! Then I traded them for the AR 10 Pye equipped with a pair of stands ! The sound was better with the stands ! In 1970 to 1980, speaker stands were rare.
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發表於 2013-10-20 23:32:58 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 auraheart 於 2013-10-21 03:15 編輯

I listen to AR3a countless times back in the 70s.  It is a real speaker system.  will try to dig what is left from my memory after I wake up...still Zzz...lol..
In my opinion, some audiophiles never listen to speakers that good with such compact size, specially on the lower region due to air-suspension design.  It is power hungry, but not that hungry by today's standard.  It is more efficient than the Gale 401A and  Dahlquist DQ-10 which I had by far.  Story to be continued, will be back soon after I done Zzzz, cuz today's Sunday lol...get up late.

補充內容 (2013-10-21 00:03):
Did AB comparison AR 9 Vs Gale 401..had both at home.  AR9's (55kg) each are very efficient compare to the little gale (25kg) speakers. Also compared to ESL 63 too.
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發表於 2013-10-20 23:49:43 | 顯示全部樓層
柒喜 發表於 2013-10-20 18:57
以上文章是二十多年前於雜誌發表既

巧失望
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發表於 2013-10-20 23:58:04 | 顯示全部樓層
好專業,從古看今,不得不佩服AR3a
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發表於 2013-10-21 00:13:58 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 auraheart 於 2013-10-21 02:17 編輯
gooseling 發表於 2013-10-20 22:41
My first pair of speakers for serious listening was the AR3a ! Then I traded them for the AR 10 Pye  ...


Should check out the stands of Gale chrome ended speakers..costed me $150 USD back in 1980, lotta money at the time.  Those Gales looked great on stands, lol...and lots of Quad owners co-own Gale speakers.  Ian Gale said " If you don't have min 60 watts" Don't even bother with it, lol..
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發表於 2013-10-21 02:35:36 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 auraheart 於 2013-10-21 02:55 編輯
auraheart 發表於 2013-10-20 23:32
I listen to AR3a countless times back in the 70s.  It is a real speaker system.  will try to dig wha ...


Story continues..AR3a is a home speaker, nothing more.  It is very unfair to compare to something like Altec Voice of the Theatre, Klipschorn, Typani or Quad.  Each of this got its own fans in it's class.  I like them all even Kipsch and Altecs are not MCOT.  It is inexpensive $400 USD (actual price is somewhat below 400 a pair in the old days, not MSRP) pair of home speakers.  It was often compared with the JBL L100/4311 and Klipsch Heresys.  Younger people like "loud speakers" in general.  This is an "old cake" type of speakers.  Excellent for classical and Jazz, perhaps the best I've ever listened for the MONEY.  Will talk about pro/cons of AR3a.  Story will continue soon, this could be long....

補充內容 (2013-10-21 02:39):
I think Liu Ming's review kinda over emphasis with good adjectives.  It is a pair of home speakers, not fairly tales.  
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發表於 2013-10-21 02:52:16 | 顯示全部樓層
喇叭入面可能有曱甴
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發表於 2013-10-21 03:20:51 | 顯示全部樓層
柒喜 發表於 2013-10-20 16:49
我說我話: AR3a無緣聽過,反之Spectral前級之無污染、超細致、超分析力和其後級速度之快,極震撼我心{:185: ...

原來有D音箱係唔能夠亂咁橫放架 ?
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發表於 2013-10-21 04:20:23 | 顯示全部樓層
AR3a喇叭夠晒經典古董~
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發表於 2013-10-21 04:55:10 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 auraheart 於 2013-10-21 06:48 編輯
auraheart 發表於 2013-10-21 02:35
Story continues..AR3a is a home speaker, nothing more.  It is very unfair to compare to something  ...


Continue from previous post..
Pros:
-Very compact in size, can produce deeper,  richer lows better than typical 12 in woofer enclosure.
-Dome mid and tweeter.  Excellent dispersion and response.
-Good cross-over cutoff freq. at 575 hz and 5k, my personal favorite.(not 525 Hz)
-Inexpensive speakers, excellent price/performance ratio.
This AR3a speakers made speaker music sound real music, violin, piano, stuff like that sound lifelike.  Excellent string speakers.  Deep deep sound stage, soft highs, nice harmonics.  good lows too, feels like waves of things attacking you when played pipe organ...lol..open and transparent mid-band.  Very smooth sounding overall and close you eyes, lol...you feel like in a concert hall.  Technically, it has nearly flat responses across the spectrum with only a couple of exceptions at/near cross-over point.  4 to 5 db drop, that is not bad at all.  The low end start to roll-off at about 50hz, where at 10khz, hi end starts to drop. Very acceptable.  Outstanding speakers at the time at such low price.  I would not rate that invincible like others said...You kidding me? lol...
Cons:
-Power hungry speakers,(not really, not at 86db/m/w.  I have had worst)
-Higher cost for matching amps, slightly picky
-Not very good durability
The AR3a speakers are so inefficient, which required huge amount of power to drive.  That was before 1970, lol....70s, high wattage power amps were so  easy to obtain, It wasn't a problem at all, just cost more, lol...I would say better to have 100 watts amp or more with over 100 damping factor to drive it provided it can deliver hi current when peak out.  Solid-state amps, what else? Cheap 100 watts amps not the greatest because lack of current output lol...These AR3a speakers don't seem to last very long.  It's tweeter gets over heat easy due to lack of cooling (no ferro fluid available till next generation).  The foam thing of the woofer looses the elastic effect over time, could be disintegrated.  Some said the mid-range dome is lack of dispersion which I don't agree.  It is superior to most cone design even I don't really care for dome drivers in general. Some said it is a heavy bass sounding speaker, and some don't....It is very subjective. Would not recommend using tube amps to drive it, the bass sound shitty..lol..
I have a lot more to say, but this is already boring.  Thank you all for your time.


補充內容 (2013-10-21 07:40):
I started to think how AR3a sounds with Bedini 100/100..lotta current, class A sweety..lol...only in dreams LOL!
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發表於 2013-10-21 05:47:56 | 顯示全部樓層
好有懷舊 feel
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發表於 2013-10-21 06:44:49 | 顯示全部樓層
I like to hear what Mr.  柒喜 says..hehe
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發表於 2013-10-21 06:52:08 | 顯示全部樓層
INITIAL~D 發表於 2013-10-21 02:52
喇叭入面可能有曱甴

AR喇叭用密封聲箱,冇可能走到小強入去
反而"JBL"開孔箱隨時老鼠都可能有隻(4343/4345/4350個反射孔好大)
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發表於 2013-10-21 07:10:10 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 auraheart 於 2013-10-21 07:43 編輯
柒喜 發表於 2013-10-20 16:49
我說我話: AR3a無緣聽過,反之Spectral前級之無污染、超細致、超分析力和其後級速度之快,極震撼我心{:185: ...


1)由低至中音的525Hz分頻點偏高,一般認為12"單元的分頻點應該擺在250Hz以下,最好是100Hz。因為500Hz分頻很容易影響中音質素,而中音是重播音樂最重要使命,尤其是人聲。
2)半球形擴散器安裝在凹入喇叭箱邊超過1吋的障板上,這設計肯定引起折射作用,阻曲音波擴散,破壞擴散圖形(極座標圖)。

I think above is more bs than anything else...100hz?  The woofer would be very quiet most of the time, and the little dome will choke to death, not to mention degraded sonic quality.  Dome mid..wonder how many good dome mid-range he ever listen to? Not many good ones in the market anyway....should compare to cone mid-range drivers.  I never notice the reflection, lol.....

補充內容 (2013-10-21 07:16):
He is technically correct on the reflection, but not realistically..
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發表於 2013-10-21 07:11:39 | 顯示全部樓層
要黎收藏多過要黎用
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發表於 2013-10-21 07:24:55 | 顯示全部樓層
cheong141 發表於 2013-10-21 07:11
要黎收藏多過要黎用

Not really, if a good pair of AR3a were found, better use it.  It seems don't last long without restoration.  Once it has been restored, it is no longer original, lol...kinda sux.
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發表於 2013-10-21 08:38:36 | 顯示全部樓層
嘩!!老到不得了!!
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