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發表於 2014-8-22 10:11:09 | 顯示全部樓層 |閱讀模式
本帖最後由 fatloong 於 2014-8-22 11:59 編輯

This is good article but a bit technical, need to have good understanding on Champagne making.

http://www.thedrinksbusiness.com ... k-champagne-ageing/

(from thedrinkbusiness.com)

TRADE TALK: CHAMPAGNE AGEING

Presently, Champagne’s top tier, prestige cuvée, is increasingly promoting pricier expressions of the same products based on the complex concept of extended ageing on lees. The idea that something might cost more because the production is tiny, the packaging is pretty, and the object has been genuinely hand crafted is easily communicated.  Furthermore, most consumers in wine and spirits are happy to incur an added expense for something older, especially if it is directly sourced from the producer.

But telling consumers they are paying more for the interaction of a wine and its sediment, including the by-products of a secondary fermentation in bottle, is harder, and especially when the science of this relationship is little understood.  Despite such a challenge, it seems that the Champenois, who a few years ago seemed to be championing single vineyard expressions for their rarity, are now promoting lees-aged blends for their complexity.

Comment from MICHEL VALADE, HEAD OF OENOLOGY, COMITE CHAMPAGNE

“Ageing on lees is a qualitative factor, but not an end in itself… Ageing on the lees brings roundness and complexity to Champagne, a greater length in the mouth, and in some cases tertiary aromas… Ageing on the lees is not the only factor in the evolution of Champagne as it continues to mature after disgorgement, and even in the basement of consumers, which gives it even more distinctive qualities than those conferred by ageing on lees. Thus, the time spent onlattesis not the only criterion, far from it, which determines the style and quality of Champagne.”

Comment form MICHEL DRAPPIER, OWNER, CHAMPAGNE DRAPPIER

“Like most great wines, Champagne shows its difference after months and years of ageing. The soil, the subtle climate of Champagne, the research on root stock, varieties (massal selections and clones), the choice of the yeast, the élevage (stainless steel or oak, filtration or not…) all this affects the ageing potential and we all know that a great substance is extracted from the yeast sediment especially under a reductive situation which protects the wine from oxidation.

“The only question is not if, but how long, the process should last. It is all about taste…  Surprisingly, some of our cuvées mature well after dosage, even in tiny amounts as we produce almost only brut nature and extra brut. In still wines you have hundreds of combinations of factors that affect the evolution in the bottle; in Champagne due to the CO² and the yeast, you multiply it by three.”

Comment from TERENCE KENNY, EXPORT DIRECTOR, CHAMPAGNE PANNIER

“Long term ageing on lees enforces ”le reaction Maillard” and adds depth and complexity. Pannier has a long ageing policy for all cuvées, even non vintage, and this is highlighted by the EV [Extra Vieillissement] medallion that appears on each bottle. For the vintages and blancs de blancs we usually work off six years minimum.

“Early this year due to a shortage we pre-released our blancs de noirs 2009 due to demand. The difference was apparent. With Egerie we usually hold back on first cork for 10 years depending on the vintage cycle. We have just released 2002 and will hold this vintage for the next couple of years.”

Comment from LOUIS-CHARLES PLUOT, MARKETING MANAGER, CHAMPAGNE DE CASTELNAU

“Lees ageing is one of the main factors of the typicity of Champagne de Castelnau style, and not only for top end cuvées. Our brut reserve, which is our main cuvée and the flagship of our house, is aged at least 48 to 60 months before riddling and disgorging, when most of non-vintage Champagne is aged 24 to 36 months, and sometimes much less (legal minimum is 15 months after tirage before releasing). This factor is extended to our vintages, aged on lees from eight to 10 years before disgorging, when the average is between three to five years for “standard” vintages.

“This is why we describe our brut reserve as “a vintage soul in a non-vintage body” or as some others say, “a multi-vintage”.  Still we have found out, along with other houses, that if these long lees-aged wines were very good a couple of months after disgorging, they’re even better with six to 12 months ageing after disgorging, and top vintages like 2002 benefit from a couple of years more without losing their freshness but gaining even more complexity.”

Comment from DOMINIQUE GARRÉTA, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS, CHAMPAGNE TAITTINGER

“Ageing on the lees improves the quality of the wine, and theoretically, extending the lees ageing is even better, provided the wine deserves or allows it.

“The quality of the raw materials used – the grapes – will determine the minimum time of ageing and the ideal period of lees ageing. Obviously reaching the latter is preferable. In terms of communicating this with the customers, it is important to highlight the main things that determine the quality of the Champagne:

1. The decision of the president of the Champagne house
2. The quality of the grapes
3. Time – which is a different concept from ageing!”

Comment from HERVE DANTAN, ASSISTANT WINEMAKER, CHAMPAGNE LANSON

“An extended lees ageing is fundamental for Champagne quality. In Champagne, the law requires 15 months on lees for a non vintage cuvée and three years for a vintage before selling a bottle. This is the minimum amount of time and of course many producers allow for longer ageing. Indeed in the bottle, after second fermentation, the phenomenon of yeast autolysis begins and it takes a long time.

“Exchanges between the yeasts and wine are going to increase the quality of Champagne. You could say that the wine digests the yeasts.

“Many compounds like proteins, amino acids, polysaccharides or esters contained in yeasts are transferred very slowly and changed or combined.  And even if quantities are minimal, they contribute to enrich significantly the flavour profile of the wine and its resulting structure. All these compounds will also affect the wine and bubbles; extended lees contact ensures fine bubbles.”

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發表於 2014-8-22 10:41:17 | 顯示全部樓層
Champagne大多沒年份, 陳年應較紅酒複習啊
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 樓主| 發表於 2014-8-22 11:50:46 | 顯示全部樓層

Usually NV Champagne is not for aging.  Only vintage Champagne will be considered for aging.  The complexity in aging vintage Champagne is that, in addition to the vintage, there is another date that is important: the disgorgement date (same vintage champagne can have different disgorgement dates).  This article talks about aging before and after disgorgement.
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發表於 2014-8-22 12:46:17 | 顯示全部樓層
Champagne 陳年會唔會對氣泡既多少有影響?
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發表於 2014-8-22 21:08:49 | 顯示全部樓層
早洩 發表於 2014-8-22 10:41
Champagne大多沒年份, 陳年應較紅酒複習啊

咁又未必, Dom Perignon 就一定有年份。
各牌子最高檔嘅都係有年份嘅。
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發表於 2014-8-22 21:09:32 | 顯示全部樓層
fatloong 發表於 2014-8-22 10:11
This is good article but a bit technical, need to have good understanding on Champagne making.

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大佬, 全部英文, 好難明白呀
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發表於 2014-8-22 23:16:23 | 顯示全部樓層
全英文唔想睇
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發表於 2014-8-22 23:29:06 | 顯示全部樓層
Every mouthful is several hundred dollars !
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 樓主| 發表於 2014-8-23 01:26:10 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 fatloong 於 2014-8-23 11:09 編輯
chromefox 發表於 2014-8-22 12:46
Champagne 陳年會唔會對氣泡既多少有影響?


Sure there will be less bubble if you age AFTER disgorgement...

I heard that a 60 year old champagne will be like still wine.
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 樓主| 發表於 2014-8-23 01:33:26 | 顯示全部樓層
老牛食嫩草 發表於 2014-8-22 21:08
咁又未必, Dom Perignon 就一定有年份。
各牌子最高檔嘅都係有年份嘅。

A champagne house need to "declare" a vintage in order to make vintage champagne.  Typically about 3 out of every 10 years will be declared as a vintage.  Therefore, for the champagne region as a whole, about 70% of the production will be NV.  Actual number will be even higher because even in a vintage year, the champagne house are required to keep some grapes for their NV to ensure that NV champagne has grapes from the good years, not just the average/bad years.

By volume, I think roughly about 80% of champagne are NV.
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發表於 2014-8-23 10:54:08 | 顯示全部樓層
fatloong 發表於 2014-8-22 10:11
This is good article but a bit technical, need to have good understanding on Champagne making.

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會唔會對氣泡有影響
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發表於 2014-8-24 03:54:04 | 顯示全部樓層
wa, very technical....complicated...
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發表於 2014-8-25 13:53:22 | 顯示全部樓層
回復 htl #12 的帖子

vintage and single vineyard champagne are very nice but any good champagne maker will tell you that the quality of the NV is the most important.
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發表於 2014-10-14 09:07:17 | 顯示全部樓層
好像很學術
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發表於 2014-10-15 18:48:40 | 顯示全部樓層
本帖最後由 fokker 於 2014-10-15 18:53 編輯
fatloong 發表於 2014-8-23 01:26
Sure there will be less bubble if you age AFTER disgorgement...

I heard that a 60 year old champa ...


I thin even before disgorgement, those late degorgee aging on lees would still loose some bubbles as once secondary fermentation is completed, there is no where for the gas to go except out of the bottle. Note that they are capped like a bottle of beer as they lay flat in the cellar before riddling and disgorgement.

The Bollinger RDs and the Dom Perignon Oenotheque (now called P2/P3 depending on the plentitude of release) of course are more gaseous than the original release of the same corresponding years as they are kept more properly in the estates, but they are still less gaseous than a more recent vintage one without late degorgement.

On the topic of bubbles, more often than not, I prefer to have the champagne DECANTED, which renders it less gaseous and actually more round and mellow, and the extra contact with oxygen renders it more complex, not unlike breathing a red wine (for that matter I also regularly decant a white wine). Anyone drinking vintage champagnes from vintage 1996 onwards should consider decanting before pouring straight from the bottle. When I was in champagne last year visiting several winemakers, they all agreed that one should decant a champagne, esp a young one to diminish its aggressiveness. Try this for yourself, pour a glass out before decanting and pour another glass after decanting and compare the taste of the 2. You will see what I mean.
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